The Governing PNP has not yet sent congratulatory message to the Prime Minister elect of Trinidad on his recent victory over the incumbent UNC.
I have been told that the PNP is genuinely shocked at the defeat of the UNC by the PNM as this was not seen just a few months ago.
In speaking with persons with an interest in Caribbean Integration, the win by the PNM is the best thing that could happen for regional integration as Kamla was seen as a divisive person whose time had come .
We welcome the PNM and hope to see the back of the PNP if the PM calls in in November as was being discussed before the most recent victory of the PNM.
How will the PNP respond to what is not the 3rd straight loss by a ruling party in the region and the 5th since 2014./
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Yuh confusing as always sah!
Yuh welcome di PNM as di best ting dat coulda happen fi regional integration but in the same breath waan see di back of di PNP….in favour of who? Dat noted integrationist Missa Holness? DWL!!!!!
PNP is bad for Jamaica, has always been bad for Jamaica. This party has never been able to generate any sustainable growth in Jamaica
Nice to know that yuh still cyaan answer a question directly lol.
Again, yuh talking outta both sides o’ yuh mout. Supporting the pro-integrationist PNM for Trinidad but the avowedly anti-integrationist JLP for Jamaica.
No the removal of the PNP and removal of UNC. Both are bad for their respective countries.
I know comrade hard to understand certain basic things. The removal of PNP and election of PNM and independent variables. Too much for a comrade to comprehend, I know.
Yuh really dunce man! But then I suppose you must be either a comrade or a labourite to be showing this level of cognitive dissonance.
To paraphrase the Bard;
neither a comrade, nor a labourite I be,
For the PNP oft loses both itself and virtue,
And the JLP dulls the mind and morality.
I know it must be hard for you stuck in that impoverished world of PNP v JLP in everything around you, but (wonder of wonders!), there are people out there who dislike both the PNP and JLP and would never support either (I be one of them).
Now I know that what I am saying to you might as well be in Icelandic as it sounds so strange and alien, but try to keep up 😉
It’s funny that you talk about the removal of the PNP and the election of the PNM as “independent variables” in your response but in your post here and in the previous one you do your very best to imply that the recent electoral outcomes in other countries in the region which saw the ruling parties voted out might signal some sort of trend. If the latter is true then the removal of the PNP and election of the PNM cannot be seen as independent variables. If the former, then linking the PNP/JLP dynamic in your post about the Trini elections was entirely nonsensical.
Gosh.
There is still a trend of opposition winning in three election a since the start of this yr, correct
So lets go again so u can get it.
Opposition have been winning in recent past that is a trend.
UNC was not for integration but PNP strongly supported them right. Now PNM is for integration but according to you JLP is not, right?
Whats the difference ?
The removal of the PNP would continue the trend In the Caribbean and would be welcomed. The story about jlp not interested in being part of caricom is misunderstood and hence the statement of being anti regional is factually incorrect.
By talking that position n then trying to build an argument on the wrong premises leads to a fundamentally flawed conclusion.
According to ME the JLP is not for integration? My goodness…where have you been? Were you on holiday in May when Holness was writing a letter (http://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/letters/20150515/letter-day-integration-fleeting-and-elusive-dream-holness) saying:
“I feel compelled to affirm that I am a nationalist; always have been, always will be.
For me, it’s Jamaica first. I am unapologetic in the view that our priority as a people should be to consider and pursue that which is in Jamaica’s best interest at all times.
I do not come from the school of those who chase after a fleeting and elusive dream called integration” ?
And when a young man (a Mr. Brooks) in the JLP dared to express for support for the CCJ as a concept and even went so far as to say that the 1961 referendum outcome was a mistake for Jamaica…do you what happened after? Well he got put in his place in the JLP and basically retreated from his stance.
I dunno. Maybe you can explain what Mr. Holness wrote and why Mr. Brooks was reprimanded, but Holness’ letter was pretty clear enough that he is not of the school of integration and Holness is the paramount chief of the JLP and his letter was not opposed by the rank and file of the JLP.
So please, I would love to hear a coherent explanation as to how the JLP is misunderstood and how terming them anti-integrationist is factually incorrect. Because Mr. Holness seemed to spell it out clear as day: He is a nationalist and not of the school of integration.
That’s easy. What is regional integration? Is regional integration what we call caricom. You cannot have integration of the various partners are not prepared to play fair. Eg its hard for a Jamaican to go into places like Trinidad, get a work permit and work, but its rather easy for a Trini man to come Jamaica and is welcomed with a permit.
Getting jam product into tnt n Barbados is like pulling teeth but getting products from these countries into Jamaica is easy.
Trinidadian, Bajans are nationalists and are proud but the love access to the Jamaican market, but will virtually closes theirs to our products.
Under these conditions, one cannot consider the playing field as being level.
Jamaica needs to fix its economy and doing so must be priority and if that means bejng a nationalists, then so be it.
Once your economy is booming we cannot be seen as mendicants as we are seen now.
Holness is saying integration cannot come at the expense of the Jamaican people n the Jamaican economy. Really not a hard concept to understand
NIce attempt but that really is not what Holness was saying. He was quite clear.
He very, very clearly put the concept of nationalism and integration as being opposites.
The way you explain, one can be both nationalist and integrationist. Not so in the binary universe of Mr. Holness as he plainly stated he is not for integration and is rather a nationalist.
I agree though that one can be both nationalist (though I prefer being patriotic to being nationalistic) and integrationist.
The examples you gave though are more often than not Jamaican misconceptions – Jamaicans generally don’t have a hard time getting work permits to go to Trinidad – because in many cases work permits are either not needed (for those who fall in the free movement categories) or are not sought out at all (by those who need them but through ignorance don’t get them or deliberately seek to work illegally). The plain fact is that many Jamaicans are very ignorant of the process by which they can avoid work permits entirely and work in Trinidad (in fact Jamaicans have it EASIER than many other caricom nationals to gain free entry into T&T since they can apply for the necessary caricom certificate of skills recognition thru the trini high commission I’ve heard) and other Jamaicans (like those security guards who were arrested recently) just flat out go to Trinidad purportedly to visit and then decide to work without ever once attempting to get a work permit. This much is to be expected from a population which at home largely seeks to dodge officialdom anyway – what many Jamaicans do here we (and others) can expect them to go abroad and do. That is why so many countries require Jamaicans to have visas.
With regards to products, being shipped in:
1. While in some cases it is difficult to get Jamaican goods shipped to those places, I would wager that the vast majority of the time what has happened is:
a. Our own slackness is not shared by our counterparts in Trinidad or Barbados. So when patties for example are being shipped with headlines screaming about illegal abattoirs and the patties themselves not being shipped in appropriately labelled packages, the Jamaicans gripe and complain (because it is in their interest to do so) about unfair treatment and barriers to entry even though if we had any self respect we would be doing exactly the same thing and more and begin investigations into the source of the meat in the patties (that meat from illegal abattoirs must end of SOMEWHERE – just as how that filthy water that trucks take from the Fresh River apparently ends up in hotel rooms) and take action against companies for selling poorly labelled products to the Jamaican consumer. Instead “we support our own” even when it means our own are selling us tainted meat and dirty water.
b. Our own slackness means that we aren’t bothered enough to follow up on instances where our counterparts in other countries (both in caricom and outside caricom) sell us goods that do not qualify under the various free trade regimes or reduced tariff regimes. When we do follow up, then the government can take the appropriate action when working with the private sector (as Hylton did long ago in probably the only time he ever did anything worthwhile). Otherwise, we (private sector Jamaica) are often too lazy to go about ensuring that the rules are followed. It’s why US products could be dumped here in the 1980s and 1990s and why some unscrupulous businesses in our sister islands can get away with shipping stuff here that doesn’t necessarily qualify either in terms of content or in terms of phyto-sanitary standards. If we were so slack with the toilet tissue saga, what else do you expect? And despite our access to various modes of remedy, we remain unmotivated (we only pass on hearsay without doing any real work into providing proof that can stand up in court or for government remedial action) or even outright ignorant – other companies in the region have successfully pursued legal action through the CCJ to remedy trade issues (the latest being a Suriname company suing Guyana’s government over a tax imposed on it) while out here I’ve seen members of esteemed trade/manufacturing sector opining that they cannot bring anything before the CCJ because they (as in private companies) are not signatories to the treaty! I distinctly recall reading that some years ago on the front page of one of the newspapers – the fool didn’t seem to understand that international treaties are not signed by private sector associations but by governments on behalf of their citizens and that any rights granted to citizens under such treaties are applicable to (and actionable by) all citizens. With that kind of stupidity passing as the crème de la crème of our elite companies it is little wonder that it is supposedly “easier” to ship things from Barbados or Trinidad to Jamaica.
Yuh not only confusing, yuh maths and reasoning kinda fuzzy.
This isn’t di third straight loss by a ruling party – nobody shows Suriname any love iyah. Deh had elections right after Guyana and in di Surinamese elections Bouterse’s party won again after winning in 2010.
And if you waan try establish trends, at least provide better context nuh? It nuh so haard enuh.
First ting anybody with a few brain cells woulda notice if you had provided context was that for all the di elections in which a ruling party has been voted out between 2014 and 2015, this came after the ruling party had at least 2 terms of government beforehand….all except in T&T, where the PP was in for only one term.
So in essence if any trend was being established it was by Jamaica with T&T following her lead; as Jamaica saw:
2002 – PNP win (after 3 previous terms/electoral wins) → 2007 JLP win → 2011 PNP win
…and Trinidad saw:
2007 – PNM (after 2 previous terms as government, including a very short one with the hung parliament of 2001, which itself followed on two terms of UNC rule) → 2010 People’s Partnership win → 2015 PNM win
Going back over the previous elections we had:
* Antigua: June 12, 2014 – Opposition ALP wins after two terms of government by the UPP starting from 2004 (which in turn followed on from multiple terms of ALP governments stretching all the way back to 1976)
* Montserrat: Sept 11, 2014 – New party PDM wins after MCP’s one term of government from 2009. Prior to that the MCP won the plurality of votes and seats in 2006 but did not form a government. Montserrat is a poor model for Jamaica though since both the MCP and PDM are fairly new parties and the older traditional parties like the NPLM are dead or without any seats in parliament (like the MDP). It would be as if both the PNP and JLP did not win seats in an election and we had new parties in Jamaica’s parliament instead.
* Dominica: Dec 8, 2014 – The ruling DLP won a fourth consecutive term in office after coming into power in the 2000 general election.
* St. Kitts & Nevis: February 16, 2015 – A coalition of opposition parties including the PAM won the elections. This followed on from FOUR terms by the then ruling SKLP starting in 1995 (which itself followed on from four terms of PAM rule starting in 1980)
* Guyana: May 11, 2015 – The ruling PPP were defeated by a coalition of the APNU and AfC, but this was not as simple as that. Because in 2011 the PPP would not have been in power if it wasn’t for provisions of the Guyanese constitution which allowed the President (who forms the actual government) to be elected based on the plurality of votes from the proportional representation system. Because of the APNU and AfC’s pigheadness in not forming an official coalition before the election, the PPP got to have it’s man as President and this bredda then got to form the minority government. Had the APNU and AfC formed a coalition beforehand as they did for 2015 then we would have been talking about the APNU/AfC winning re-election in 2015 rather than them forming the government for the first time (and note that in 2011 and 2015 the seats were split the same way: PPP – 32 and APNU+AfC – 33). Prior to the 2011 electoral “victory” of the APNU and AfC (the first time the PPP did not win a majority since the first really free elections), it had been…guess what? Four terms of PPP rule since 1992.
* Suriname: May 25, 2015 – Desi Bouterse’ NDP won power again, this time with an absolute majority after winning the plurality in 2010 (and almost a majority in 2010) and governing by coalition since then. This happened after 5 straight terms of government by the New Front or NF (interrupted only by Bouterse’s telephone coup of a few months from December 1990 to early 1991 when new elections were held and won by the NF again). Prior to that it was Bouterse’s military dictatorship since 1980 so nothing can be derived from 1980-1987.
The JLP won a very narrow election victory in 2007 using pretty much all of its “star power” with Bruce Golding and some NDM and young JLP personalities at the helm. And this after four terms of PNP rule. The people supposedly weary of the PNP’s governance showed how enthusiastic they were for the JLP by producing the second closest election in terms of number of votes per party (the closest being 1949, with 1962 and 1967 being also close). They also managed to win with candidates who were of questionable eligibility to run in the first place (later proven to be true for those candidates and we had a series of by-election).
Now listen man! Di JLP had two terms for the taking. Dat was the general trend (at least two terms per party) in Jamaica and in the wider region. But dem squander it BAD! Dem get everybody angry wid dem! From di public servants, to di visa-seeking public, to Uncle Sam and di IMF….everybody! Til all now dem cyaan even get donors fi show dem pity and gi’ dem some red money.
The JLP’s dysfunctionality and electoral toxicity means dem haffi work extra hard and hope di PNP does some extra bungling in order fi di PNP fi lose (note I did not say for the JLP to win, because right now dat seem impossible and di only way for the JLP to form di government is if the PNP mess up sooo badly that the PNP loses). And widout money the JLP gonna have to work SUPER hard fi dat.
Maybe dat can happen. But di dynamics of the JLP v di PNP and di lessons from di past and regional elections woulda suggest dat di PNP likely to get anodda term unless dem really screw demselves…..
I have often ask people, what it the pnp track record of performance and its hard to quantify. I don’t think Jamaica will continue to buy we love the poor story. Pnp screws up most things so its not a hard task for them. They have years of experience in that field.
If the jlp can organize themselves, Portia will join Kamla
and if pigs had wings, they could fly.
Yes, yes we all know dat. But as YOU noted previously (https://commonsenseja.wordpress.com/2015/09/01/jlp-is-ready-for-elections-but-has-no-source-of-financing-like-seriously/)…organization is worth diddly-squat widout some cold, hard cash doan?
I dunno what dis fixation on the JLP is as the supposed only alternative. The PNP are crappy and the JLP as you pointed out make them (or rather Portia) look like geniuses. Therefore how genius is it to back a pack a set of incompetent jokers who make another set of incompetent fools look like Einsteins? It can’t be very wise can it? In fact I would go so far as to say that anyone who can rightly observe how stupid the JLP acts must themselves be equally or more stupid for continuing to pour all their hopes and dreams into the JLP as some sort of salvation rather than actively pushing for smarter alternatives.
In other places with the same damn system as Jamaica there have been new parties and new ideas (Dominica, Montserrat, Trinidad even and of all places the United Kingdom itself, the wellspring of our political system with the Tories and Liberals, then Tories and Labour with the Liberals then forming the Lib Dems and a whole bunch of other parties which have found favour among voters), so blaming di system is a fool-fool cop-out and an excuse for inaction. But dat fits the profile of many JLP and PNP supporters as both the JLP and PNP are lazy buffons who excel at inaction, so why should their supporters be any different?
I like how you refer to my links. Now you would recognize that I give to the JLP as much as I give to the PNP. What is you would never come go the defence of the JLP but instead support my position on them. But once I hit the PNP here comes the choir.
Fact is as bad and disorganized as the JLP is they have proven when given the opportunity they can grow the economy. The PNP on the other hand is inversely proportional to growth.
I have never seen a party so poor at government despite the length of time they have been given to prove themselves
Oh yuh poor thing!
U think being critical of one party is leaping to the defence of the other? What are you? A binary computer?
Please note, (though this may be veery hard for you to get), being critical of one party is NOT defending the other party.
Now, since you asked why I never come to the defence of the JLP, tell me, why should I come to the defence of either party? And how is pointing out the inconsistencies in your stance (something which is entirely independent of my support or lack thereof for any political party) to be interpreted as defending one party over another?
I simply pointed out that:
1. It is strange logic to welcome the pro-integrationist PNM but at the same time hope for the electoral victory of the anti-integrationist JLP. That implies no support for the People’s Partnership, UNC, COP, NAR, PNM, PNP, JLP, CDU, CSU, Democrats, Republicans, Tories, PLP, CPSU, NSDAP, ALP, DLP, BLP or any other grab bag of acronyms and names. For all you actually know about me and my views I could well be the founder, president and sole member of the Global Green Party Campaigning for Steve Harvey and Jon Stewart to be named Benvolent Dictators of the World for Life. You know nothing (another political party from the past that you would probably do well to support) about my views, yet you print your views for all to see and become defensive when persons point out the logical inconsistencies in these views (you appear to think that some amount of regional integration is good, but quite openly wish for the openly anti-integrationist party to win without deploring their attitude towards integration).
2. Your summary of the electoral outcomes was….to be frank…quite poor. Lacking in substance and context and without any consideration as past elections in these places which would have a much greater bearing on whether a given party gets voted out due to voter fatigue with them than overall regional trends. Once again you seem to take this as some kind of “attack” against the JLP, without being able to acknowledge what many already know: the truth hurts. And the truth is the JLP squandered a “Golding” opportunity over some flipping drug dealer and are now hard pressed for cash. Cash being very necessary to run an election campaign as you noted.
As for the PNP I’m sure you already seen where I’ve termed them as idiots or buffoons. Normally one doesn’t defend people by using such terms (unless among your circle that is how you greet each other as friends).
But here’s another hard truth for you: Since the 1980s (which were a LOOOONG time ago now) the largest subset of the electorate simply Don’t. Care. And they don’t give a damn about the JLP or PNP. However of the set that do care, the PNP seems to have had more general support while the JLP does it best to turn off the few (and rare) swing voters or undecideds. Which means that for the past three DECADES (almost) the default situation is the PNP in government and the JLP in opposition.
Now after a generation of that particular foolishness, anyone hoping for real change will acknowledge that fact and push for solutions that don’t involve swapping black dog fi monkey. The PNP are hopeless so why even bother pushing for them to change? The JLP seem hopeless too although within its ranks there do seem to be some individuals who *might* make a difference. But that won’t happen as long as people blinding support the JLP as it is currently structured and don’t let the JLP know what the majority of those who would want change would like to see in the JLP (supposedly the only alternative that can effect this hoped for change). Personally I think both the PNP and JLP are hopeless and I criticize people who don’t recognize that.
Why it is that you or others haven’t been encouraging the labourites (and comrades) with sense but who are kept down by their political directorate to form a new party that espouses the supposed JLP financial wizardry and the PNP’s supposed social care while at the same time not spouting the anti-integrationist bile that so many of the top JLP members like to emit and have a mature approach to regional integration…well, only you and others can answer that. I believe they should. Just for giggles they could even call themselves the Progressive Labour Party (PLP) or National Labour Party (NLP) to throw the PNP and JLP into a tizzy.
You may want to go back and read my last post on the misconception of jlp n regional integration, unless you are talking about the 1960’s. If you should dismiss this as you did the the ,1980’s we can at least move past that misconception that is widely spread. The JLP had said time n time again the playing field is not level and that needs to change.
Summary of electoral outcomes are what they are, fact !
Third party is a non starter as we say with the NDM and most coalition parties are as fragmented as they come.
That leaves us with JLP /PNP. Fact !
It’s always interesting to hear people say if all a dem a d same swap black dog gi monkey, when the PNP is failing, but the same does not apply if the JLP is said to be failing.
I find that quite amusing.
By the way, I think the JLP ought to change its name.
I would support such a move.
Any party to run Jamaica other than the PNP would have my support.
I saw your response on the poor little JLP being misunderstood and quoted you words straight from his royal Holness’ pen.
Oh and third parties are a non-starter eh? No wonder the small minded continue to repeatedly support the JLP/PNP in hopes of change when the weight of history shows them to be highly mistaken.
Well glad to know that your mind hasn’t expanded (or expanded much) since last I visited this site.
I’m probably asking too much of you to attempt to square the circle of your conception of what the JLP is (supposedly misunderstood as being against integration) with the reality of what Holness wrote and the actions towards Mr. Brooks.
See my latest comments
Choose battles carefully rs third party. What is really required is a change in mindset of the electorate. This will bring about the change we need at the party level.
I cannot reply under the last post you made but let me clarify a few points, but first I must say I agree with most of what you wrote in this post
Re: Caricom Certificate.
You can apply for a CC in your home country and this should allow you access into any country that is a signatory to the free movement treaty.
The only problem I have seen ( I have a CC) is once you enter a members state , within six months you have to apply for a CC in that country.
The interesting thing is that does not apply to CC holders coming into Jamaica.
Import barriers.
There is some truth that Jamaican importers do not follow the rules, however part of the problem is the rules keep changing to avoid imports ie artificial barriers are being created to frustrate the process.. That is a real problem which must be addressed in regional trade in particular Barbados and Trinidad.
Secondly less corruption exist in these countries and rules are applied, while in Jamaica everything comes in because corrupt private sector pay bribes to circumvent Jamaica’s custom rules..
Well made points however.
Re: certificate.
That is outdated info. Since at least the past few years when you enter a member state you no longer apply for a CC in that country but instead get your CC verified within 6 months (and it’s been that way in some member states for a very long time). That applies in all member states and for all CC holders except that in T&T they don’t bother verifying and just issue you a new CC (and as I noted, you don’t even have to go to T&T to get the CC from T&T as like most member states T&T facilitates getting the CC through its various diplomatic missions – and with the new online system that is being built one can potentially apply for a CC from any member state online and also have the CC verified by any member state you intend to travel to online). CC holders coming to Jamaica have to get their CC verified and apparently pay something like J$10,000 to get unconditional landing status (and always have as far as I know).
The idea that “this does not apply to [X] coming to Jamaica from other member states” is pretty much a myth due to a lack of information. Even Jamaica’s immigration officers fall victim to this mythology we’ve built up and they are shockingly uninformed about their own immigration laws (I know this from firsthand conversations with some of them coming through the airports), much less that of other member states (again, known through actually talking with them and experiencing the reality that they don’t even know exists).
Re: Import barriers
I wasn’t talking about Jamaican importers not following the rules, though that is part of the problem. I was noting that the main problems are that Jamaican local businesses do not bother to use the remedies available to them when there are breaches of the trade agreement and instead bellyache to the media and government without providing reliable proof. The other problem is that Jamaican exporters often do not follow the rules. As for the rules being changed, that’s called progress. The rules change as well when it comes to the European Union and United States. For instance exporting foodstuff to the European Common Market before the late 1980s and early 1990s did not require follow the latest HACCP standards. The EU also produced new import standards under Regulation (EC) No. 852/2004 that had updated HACCP standards and imposed new requirements on firms exporting to the EU on the basis of public safety (which given this ackee scare: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/95522_-400m-ackee-market-under-threat , seemed timely). And the US introduced the Food Safety Modernization Act (FSMA) in January 2011. As was noted almost 2 years after the passage of that act – 95% of Jamaican exporters were not HACCP certified as required under the import standards of FSMA: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/business/95–of-exporters-lack-critical-certificate_12523065 . And one year earlier than that we had an almost identical story: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/business/Jamaica-s-food-exporters-threatened-by-new-US-rules_9632044
Yet the FSMA had been passing through Congress since at least 2009 (as the Food Safety Enhancement Act), yet in Jamaica it seems we did not closely follow it until after it was signed into law and the clock started ticking.
Now whose fault is that? Not the US government, not the GOJ (either JLP or PNP), but the individual exporters who don’t make themselves aware of the requirements and don’t try to make themselves compliant and instead seem to want to wait on the GOJ to push them into action and maybe do the process for them.
Ascribing malicious intent (“artificial barriers created to frustrate the process”) where there is reasonable grounds to presume otherwise (as you said, one can be nationalist and pro-integration; if so, why on earth would we not expect other countries to look out for the safety of their own citizens by requiring the most up to date standards be used when it comes to the production and importation of goods?) is a bit paranoid. I rather doubt that the Trinis and Bajans spend their time trying to come up with ways to frustrate the importation of Jamaican goods when Jamaica barely has the potential to export lots of goods as it stands now and when the overwhelming amount of their foreign exchange goes to imports from countries like China (cheap goods) and some First World countries (manufactured goods that cannot be obtained anywhere else). But oddly for a country that prides itself on leading the pack when it comes to track and field races, we are always following behind other countries when it comes to public health standards and trade standards. And we seem content to do so. So rather than adopt the HACCP standards from the FSMA as our own to ensure that locally all our producers of food are up to such standards and thereby eligible to export to the USA IF they find customers, we don’t bother to do so,….we wait around…wring our hands when we can’t export ackee and yam to the US and Europe and then bitch and complain if Barbados and Trinidad dare to pass new regulations in line with the latest ones emanating from the US, Canada, UK and Europe. We then make a grand show about how they are frustrating our exports because we refuse to drag ourselves out of the 19th century when it comes to product standards.
Ksmith, you miss the point as usual. I acknowledge the view that Jamaican exporters are not competitive and they take long to follow the dictates of regulations, like the FSMA. Further, they do complain instead of rely on the remedies which are available to them, but the issue is that other Caribbean states do not play by the rules and when people criticise them, persons like you often jump to their defense. The issue is not the backwardness of Jamaicans, it is the failure of other Caricom member states to treat the country with respect.
Ksmith, you miss the point as usual. I acknowledge the view that Jamaican exporters are not competitive and they take long to follow the dictates of regulations, like the FSMA. Further, they do complain instead of relying on the remedies which are available to them, but the issue is that other Caribbean states do not play by the rules and when people criticise them, persons like you often jump to their defense. The issue is not the backwardness of Jamaicans, it is the failure of other Caricom member states to treat the country with respec
Ksmith, you miss the point as usual. I acknowledge the view that Jamaican exporters are not competitive and they take long to follow the dictates of regulations, like the FSMA. Further, they do complain instead of relying on the remedies which are available to them, but the issue is that other Caribbean states do not play by the rules and when people criticise them, persons like you often jump to their defense. The issue is not the backwardness of Jamaicans, it is the failure of other Caricom member states to treat the country with respect
Yuh head tuff like one super stale rock cake though iyah….
Do you remember what I said? No? Well lemme remind you:
Don’t bother trying to converse because I don’t entertain lil pickney over the internet and it really is for own safety that you should not be plastering personal information on the web.
I’m not about to properly address what you wrote about – which was wrong anyway as I can tell you from long and personal experience; and which I’m certain you don’t have.
Rather than trying to engage me why not go back to your books until you grow up? Since you prefer books to the company of others anyway at least.