Roger Clarke vs Everald Warmington. Was Warmington out of line?

Like me start my saying Everald Warmington represent what I do not want to see in the politics of Jamaica. He is boorish, crude and out-of-order, but his people love him dearly, why?

Jamaicans could not give a damn about your character as long as you look after there interest and so people like Everald will win elections after elections as long as he looks after there interest, no matter how bad is behaviour is.

Someone may wonder why I am saying this in the context of what is to follow, but I must highlight what I have found to be a real problem in how we address issues in Jamaica.

The papers have reported and I say on TV , Everald Warmington say “ if you don’t vote you don’t count and those who vote does not deserve state benefits”. He has been roundly condemned by political commentators, talk show host, bloggers, sections of the media and has been asked to apologize or withdraw those statements.

The General Secretary of the JLP has distanced itself from the statements made by Everald Warmington and the JLP leader has been asked to condemn the statement.

In November 2013 the Minister of Agricuture, Roger Clarke said the following:

Agriculture Minister Roger Clarke yesterday urged Jamaicans who will benefit from new housing schemes to reward the ruling People’s National Party (PNP) with their votes and told the builders they needed to complete the development within the next three years.

“Remember, that it was through Minister Roger Clarke and the People’s National Party mi get it; mi a go reward them, yes, because one hand wash the other, and if I scratch your back, you scratch fi mi back too,” Clarke told his audience of mostly sugar workers

I could be wrong, but I did not hear any demand for the Prime  Minister to condemn this statement, nor do I recall a loud outcry from civil society for any apology or withdrawal of that statement. In addition the PNP never released a statement to distance itself from Roger Clarke’s position.

Why were the two situations not treated the same ?

Warmy never said only JLP voters will or should get support, he said only those who voted should receive state support ( Just for clarity), on the other hand Roger is saying voted PNP in exchange for state support ( House).

Now the question is, was Warmington wrong.

Commonsenseja likes to be balanced and unemotional, so I decided to take a closer look at what Warmy said to see if this exist in any other jurisdiction and here is what I found.

Countries were compulsory voting exist

Enforced[edit]

These are the 10 countries that enforce compulsory voting:

  • Argentina – Compulsory for citizens between 18 and 70 years old, non-compulsory for those older than 70 and between 16 and 18. (However in primaries, citizens under 70 may refuse to vote, if they formally express their decision to the electoral authorities, at least 48 hours before the election. This is valid only for the subsequent primary, and needs to be repeated each time the voter wishes not to participate.)
  • Australia – Compulsory for federal and state elections for citizens 18 years of age and above. The requirement is for the person to enroll, attend a polling station and have their name marked off the electoral roll as attending, receive a ballot paper and take it to an individual voting booth, mark it, fold the ballot paper and place it in the ballot box. Because of the secrecy of the ballot, it is not possible to determine whether a person has completed their ballot paper prior to placing it in the ballot box. In some states, local council elections are also compulsory.[19]
  • Brazil[20] – Compulsory for citizens between 18 and 70 years old. Non-compulsory for unregistered citizens aged 16 or 17. A justification form for not voting can be filled at election centers and post offices.
  • Democratic Republic of the Congo
  • Ecuador – Compulsory for citizens between 18 and 65 years old; non-compulsory for citizens aged 16–18, illiterate people, and those older than 65.
  • Luxembourg – Only for the regionals and if signed up
  • Nauru
  • Peru[21] – Compulsory for citizens between 18 and 70 years old, non-compulsory for those older than 70
  • Singapore – Compulsory for citizens above 21 years old on the 1st of January of the year of election

There is one canton in Switzerland that enforces compulsory voting:

Not enforced[edit]

Countries that have compulsory voting on the law books but do not enforce it:

Measures to encourage voting[edit]

Although voting in a country may be compulsory, penalties for failing to vote are not always strictly enforced. In Australia and Brazil, providing a legitimate reason for not voting (such as being sick or outside the country) is accepted. In Argentina, those who were ill on voting day are excused by requesting a doctor to prove their condition; those over 500 km (310 mi) away from their voting place are also excused by asking for a certificate at a police station near where they are. Belgian voters can vote in an embassy if they are abroad or can empower another voter to cast the vote in their name; the voter must give a “permission to vote” and carry a copy of the eID card and their own on the actual elections.

States that sanction nonvoters with fines generally impose small or nominal penalties. However, penalties for failing to vote are not limited to fines and legal sanctions. Belgian voters who repeatedly fail to vote in elections may be subject to disenfranchisement.Singapore voters who fail to vote in a general election or presidential election will be subjected to disenfranchisement until a valid reason is given or a fine is paid. Goods and services provided by public offices may be denied to those failing to vote in Peru andGreece. In Brazil, people who fail to vote in an election are barred from obtaining a passport and subject to other restrictions until settling their situation before an electoral court or after they have voted in the two most recent elections. If a Bolivian voter fails to participate in an election, the person may be denied withdrawal of the salary from the bank for three months.[25][26]

In Turkey, according to a law passed by the parliament in 1986, if eligible electors do not cast a vote in elections, they pay a fee of about 10 Turkish lira (about $6 US).[27

I highlighted this section relating to Brazil.

Credit : Wikipedia

Verdict: Well you be the judge.

15 Responses

  1. I do agree with the essence of what Warmington said, as i think it is critically important for our people to exercise this franchise. He would have had more credibility in a different forum. The sad truth is that something similar, but with a different agenda, is practiced at political offices. I once observed an Older lady drop by one of our “elected” offices, obviously needing help, and the first thing those at the office did was check to see if she was on the voters list. I did express my disappointment with what transpired but they saw nothing wrong with what they did. Positive changes can be had from mandatory voting, especially in our Country where election results have been determined by the least informed amongst us. The value of this will be determined by our ability to force changes to our Constitution and how politics is practiced here.

    • So why the old lady a go to the Politician for hand out ?. Systems should be in place. Politicians should deal with legislature etc,

      • Obviously the lady went because she thought help, in whatever shape or form, could be had from the Constituency office? The reality is that a large number of our people are ignorant of the assistance they can get from other State Agencies. Sometimes all they need is a bit of direction.

        • I am sure that Warmington will give out direction , and advice, him not short of that. His main advice is to vote and change the system to one that you want.

          But I am sure the lady don’t want that advice, she want handout

  2. Oh!! I think we need to start ignoring utterances from Roger. It’s not his fault?

  3. What exactly is wrong with what Warmington said ? Basically him say empty barrel make the most noise. most people know that from primary/prep school. So basically him a tell the empty barrel to shut up. No empty barrel can talk to him.

  4. Jamaica performs poorly on international rankings, but instead of ensuring that politicians perform, most people allow their asinine comments to distract them, when this happens the politician becomes a celebrity and everyone forgets that policies exist that he needs to enact, this is an example of majoring in the minor, the comments of Warmington should not be of any importance to anyone, because he only wants to distract us from his failures. However, when Warmington defends the people of Jamaica in parliament, they ignored him, but when he makes an outlandish statement like most politicians everyone attacks him. Warmington critics will earn credibility when they begin to attack other politicians.

  5. I am not sure if most people realize that Andrew Holness was on the same stage. He does not have to listen to any tape and review anything. He was right there and did not say anything, so either he is in agreement or he knows that the only leader is Warmington in South West St. Catherine

  6. I hear the attorney general speaking out on this one, but silent on Roger Clarke

  7. Is that not the thinking of all our politicians? At least Warmington did not say you have to vote for me – he said you must vote and I support that position. But typically if you are known to be associated with one party you do not get a job in the public sector when that party is in power and if you are already employed you are let go – so what is different here? We are such hypocrites all.

    Recall Aloun Assamba statement in St Ann some years ago and the Hon PJ Patterson “sucking salt through wooden spoon” warning.

    What a set of disingenuous civil society and politicians.

  8. Lol!@ Cull Cull. When you are able to make some time to observe the conditions under which fellow Jamaicans exist from Negril Point to Morant Point, then i think you will be better able to judge?

  9. I know the conditions. That’s why Warmington wins by a big margin. he takes care of the people who vote fro him

    • Portia wins by by margins over 90% and lock at her constituency ? She does not even take care of those who vote for her as an MP !!!!
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    • I guess you could say the same about Portia, Desmond McKenzie et al?

  10. Screw Warmington and screw Roger Clarke! Di two a dem could a siddung and eat some cow patties fi all me care! In fact dem shoulda be forced to eat some of that (and horse shit too!) for dem kinda attitude deh. Because is only pure, unadulterated crap a spew from dem mouts. Dem shoulda put it all back in.

    If someone doesn’t want to vote that’s dem own bizniz and dem own damn right; moreso if dem pay tax.

    If folks wanna follow Singapore or Belgium then fine. But know dis: taking away public services and goods like what happens in Greece or Peru is a path to ruin. There is NO WAY you should ever deny PUBLIC services and goods (like passports) to people who pay taxes which pay for those damn services and goods in the first place. Sure disenfranchise them if you wish. But for people who don’t vote anymore or never voted in the first place mi nuh really tink dat a guh bodda dem one likkle bit.

    But if you gonna take away public services and goods then you need to ensure that the persons so affected don’t pay tax. EVER. Not even bloody GCT pon cheesetrix! OR SCT on gas. Or NIS. Or Education tax. Nutten!

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